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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ariane, totally. I think that&#039;s one of the reasons why the public sector&#039;s gap is shrinking -- not that salaries are publicly known, but that it&#039;s so codified and the pay scale is reported on, and accountable. When a corporation only has to justify a salary to very few people, there&#039;s very little accountability.

Your comment reminded me of a story my aunt told me. She used to work for a government organization that provided job finding training to women. One of the women attending their job finding club told them how she had worked at a local retail store, and in the staff lounge, management had posted a notice saying, &quot;It is against company policy to discuss salaries.&quot; And someone else (presumably an employee) had written below it, &quot;I&#039;d prohibit it too if I paid what you do!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ariane, totally. I think that&#8217;s one of the reasons why the public sector&#8217;s gap is shrinking &#8212; not that salaries are publicly known, but that it&#8217;s so codified and the pay scale is reported on, and accountable. When a corporation only has to justify a salary to very few people, there&#8217;s very little accountability.</p>
<p>Your comment reminded me of a story my aunt told me. She used to work for a government organization that provided job finding training to women. One of the women attending their job finding club told them how she had worked at a local retail store, and in the staff lounge, management had posted a notice saying, &#8220;It is against company policy to discuss salaries.&#8221; And someone else (presumably an employee) had written below it, &#8220;I&#8217;d prohibit it too if I paid what you do!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Down Under Feminist Carnival: September 08 Edition &#171; blue milk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Down Under Feminist Carnival: September 08 Edition &#171; blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] very, very equal women are now, and the obnoxiousness of grizzles about political correctness. WoLFi TaLEs doesn&#8217;t see much to celebrate on Equal Pay Day. Hell on Hairy Legs takes us for a cultural [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] very, very equal women are now, and the obnoxiousness of grizzles about political correctness. WoLFi TaLEs doesn&#8217;t see much to celebrate on Equal Pay Day. Hell on Hairy Legs takes us for a cultural [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ariane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often wondered what removing the secrecy about pay rates in a workplace would do to this dynamic. I wonder if it would be so easy to justify the pay differences if they were openly discussed. In my first corporate job I was amazed to discover that it was very sternly frowned upon to discuss your salary. I automatically assumed with was a culture to benefit the employer, and never really understood why the employees buy into it. I suspect it is because they all think they are doing well out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often wondered what removing the secrecy about pay rates in a workplace would do to this dynamic. I wonder if it would be so easy to justify the pay differences if they were openly discussed. In my first corporate job I was amazed to discover that it was very sternly frowned upon to discuss your salary. I automatically assumed with was a culture to benefit the employer, and never really understood why the employees buy into it. I suspect it is because they all think they are doing well out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/29/AR2007072900827_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; to people who like to argue that women could just speak up and negotiate for more or should learn to negotiate.

I&#039;m particularly happy that it covers that people like to think that men are like this (able to negotiate and value their work) and women are like that (passive and unwilling to confront a bad pay situation), but that we are social creatures, motivated by social risks and rewards and built to read and navigate complex and subtle cues related to how others perceive us socially. Clearly if a woman is intelligent enough to move up the corporate ladder and get herself promoted, she is intelligent enough to see if there&#039;s a benefit to negotiating. In fact, I would venture to say that one of the primary reasons women push themselves so hard towards promotions is because this is the only really socially acceptable way for a woman to affect her pay. Asking for more money is seen as un-feminine and likely to be punished, but working hard is acceptable. But then working hard is unlikely to be financially recognized for women, so then you have to work hard enough to justify a change in your job title and then they have to change your pay at least a little bit (even if it&#039;s still going to lag behind your male counterparts).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/29/AR2007072900827_pf.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> to people who like to argue that women could just speak up and negotiate for more or should learn to negotiate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly happy that it covers that people like to think that men are like this (able to negotiate and value their work) and women are like that (passive and unwilling to confront a bad pay situation), but that we are social creatures, motivated by social risks and rewards and built to read and navigate complex and subtle cues related to how others perceive us socially. Clearly if a woman is intelligent enough to move up the corporate ladder and get herself promoted, she is intelligent enough to see if there&#8217;s a benefit to negotiating. In fact, I would venture to say that one of the primary reasons women push themselves so hard towards promotions is because this is the only really socially acceptable way for a woman to affect her pay. Asking for more money is seen as un-feminine and likely to be punished, but working hard is acceptable. But then working hard is unlikely to be financially recognized for women, so then you have to work hard enough to justify a change in your job title and then they have to change your pay at least a little bit (even if it&#8217;s still going to lag behind your male counterparts).</p>
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		<title>By: SillyComputerMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SillyComputerMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a capitalistic society, where money is required - and valued above all all within much of the overall population, there is always going to be that drive to make more of it. Therefore, it is always going to be an uphill battle for people to value care-giving as much.

This is a long bow to draw, but a similar problem exists regarding jury duty. Jurors are reluctant to want to serve when the loss of income is not compensated. To combat this, Great Britain has created a model whereby people who serve are compensated at a scale commensurate with their personal earning power. This encourages people at all earning levels to do jury duty.

This is only the beginning of an idea that needs to be expanded, but perhaps something similar is required for care-giving. If someone is going to take two years off to care for a new baby (or anyone in need of dedicated care), perhaps they need to be compensated in a manner that is commensurate with their earning power.

Unless a true competitive value is in place for care-giving, it will always seem for some to be a sacrifice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a capitalistic society, where money is required &#8211; and valued above all all within much of the overall population, there is always going to be that drive to make more of it. Therefore, it is always going to be an uphill battle for people to value care-giving as much.</p>
<p>This is a long bow to draw, but a similar problem exists regarding jury duty. Jurors are reluctant to want to serve when the loss of income is not compensated. To combat this, Great Britain has created a model whereby people who serve are compensated at a scale commensurate with their personal earning power. This encourages people at all earning levels to do jury duty.</p>
<p>This is only the beginning of an idea that needs to be expanded, but perhaps something similar is required for care-giving. If someone is going to take two years off to care for a new baby (or anyone in need of dedicated care), perhaps they need to be compensated in a manner that is commensurate with their earning power.</p>
<p>Unless a true competitive value is in place for care-giving, it will always seem for some to be a sacrifice.</p>
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